Ebay and virtual property ? denied!

I for one was very pleased with the ruling the Ebay will no longer allow listings of virtual property, unless you are the sole owner and creator of the work.

Sure, the black market trade in online game items will continue, but it's a heavy blow for the companies selling this stuff. Honestly, if you want to pay someone real money to play a game for you, I've got a screenshot of an empty Pacman grid to sell you, only $50!

It won't kill the industry, but it does mean people will have to go to less reputable sites to do their dealings for online gold etc, and that will reduce the amount of players doing this stuff by a fair amount, as most will not want to use their credit cards on sites they've never heard of when the legality in this area is so blurry anyway.

I mean, can you imagine explaining this to a typical 95 year old british judge? 'Your Honour, I paid leetgold.com $400 for a level 70 elf mage with a glowing staff and a giant ostrich to ride around on, and they didnt send them to me...' 'Take him down, he's obviously on some kind of 'drugs' that the youth of today mess around with'.

For gamers tho, those who actually don't mind playing thru quests in a game to get rewards in a game, it can only be a good thing, as it will essentially reduce the numbers of stupid advertisers in the game, dumb letters in the in game mail, characters standing the middle of cities yelling 'buy gold from www.ihaveyourccnumbernow.com plz', and other such delights.

It also means that the economy may recover a little, as the fewer people there are just buying 1000 gold for real money, the cheaper things will get in game. Simply put, if you have a 1000 gold sat on your character, you wont mind paying 10 gold for a stack of metal bars. If however you've slowly built up 20 gold over a few days, you're probably not going to rush to buy a 10 gold stack, when it takes a character about 20 minutes to collect them.

It's like if suddenly all the rich people in the world started going to your sandwich shop and said I'll pay £50 a sandwich, pretty soon the store would quit selling em for £2 and just supply their £50 treats to their new customers. You don't get your lunch, but hey, supply and demand, market forces, where's the problem? You cant blame the sandwich guy for selling £2 stuff for £50 if he can.

Update on the BB thing

Does Shilpa's opinion have no bearing on matters either? She herself has already said ' I think Jade is insecure, but not racist.' I think she knows deep down, Jade just blurted something stupid out because they clash so badly as people.

I just look at the newspapers as I think, you know I think Fred West and Harold Shipman must have had way better publicists, because they didnt get the level of media hatred Jade is getting.

A quick appeal tho, the NHS is in dire need, so if you're one of the people personally going to Jade's private home, and messing with her, her home, and her family, please hand yourself in at the nearest Hospital, as you're obviously only useful for spare parts, and even then the brain is pretty worthless.

I pity how we look to other countries too, Dirk Benedict, the guy in BB at the moment, the US actor of 'A-Team' *cough* fame, stated that he was disappointed that Boris Johnson wasn't in the house as he'd heard rumours that he was going to be, and that he finds Boris an interesting and funny man. Cue blank stares from most of the BRITISH people in the house, fuck me sideways til Easter, if somehow BB survives this and there's more seasons to come of regular and celeb BB, can we get them to take a test and demand that at least 2 intelligent housemates are in each series? To be honest, I'd probably have watched some if Boris had been in, although I doubt we'll ever see another politician go in after what happened to George Galloway.

Now, if you don't know who Boris Johnson is, that's fine, but damn, if you're in the public eye, make some kind of attempt to have a clue who other people are, so you don't look a complete tool on TV. I admit I don't know much of US politics short of what I've seen on 'The Daily Show' on MORE4, but for a US actor to know more about our politicians than most of the UK people in the house is kind of embarrassing, not that I held any ideas of any one of them making me proud to be British.

I think Bill Hicks said something very relevant 20 years ago, that also works for Britain, 'You're asking am I proud to be an American? Hell, my parents fucked there, I didn't have anything to do with it.' when asked why he didnt leave America if he didn't love his country - 'I'd leave America if I wasn't scared of ending up a victim of our foreign policy'.

Fuck me I'm defending Jade, I'm obviously not well.

Jade, yes I had to mention it eventually.

Ok, ok, I was partly hoping not to jump on the bandwagon, partly because I don't think there's much room left on there, but damn, is this just plain nuts?

Firstly, I've done some reading up, and it appears that the most 'offensive' things said were said by Danielle, Jo, Jack, and not actually Jade, but Jade is the most famous one, so I think that's why she's getting more attention.

Now think back to when you were last really REALLY angry with someone, had just unbearable hatred for them, you probably either hit them, or found some really nasty thing to say that you knew would hurt them. I think the main thing here, is that Jade, not blessed with the vocabulary of Stephen Fry at the best of times, let the anger bypass the common sense part of her brain and just went for something hurtful.

To me tho, even if she'd actually said 'you fucking paki' on the live show, she's already lost her career pretty much, her perfume has been pulled from the shelves, and she's getting personally attacked from every angle, and she's been dropped by the anti bullying charity ( which makes perfect sense, I'm not disputing that). Is losing your career and your fame that you were somehow lucky enough to win despite having no talent not enough of a punishment for a stupid flippant remark that she, I believe genuinely regrets? She has also already donated all her money for her appearance and any and all interviews to charities.

Take a look at the papers, pretty much demanding her head on a spike, for being a 'bully'? Isn't that like Rik Waller telling her she has a fat arse?

I really don't like Jade, I never have, not from the first moment she appeared on screen, but there is no way she deserves to have her home attacked, and have an actual campaign of hate directed at her by the Sun and the like. Again, also, it's not just her, her family, friends, kids, etc are all affected by this, and let's remember, there's murders, rapes, paedophiles every day, one person saying 'poppadom' in the wrong context... doesn't make her public enemy number 1 in my book.

Channel 4, tho, for start, they just shouldn't have shown it, and they can fuck a big barrel of off, if they're gonna roll out the 'we're just documenting what happens' bullshit, because they script everything, they depict good guys and bad guys, and stuff is edited out, and even on the 24 webcasts, you're not able to see every angle of every camera, and there can be 'technical errors' at any time necessary.

Also at blame are anyone jumping on it trying to make themselves look good at Jade's expense, and yes, I mean the politicians, the papers, the TV shows, etc. for a start, making yourself look good next to Jade is like an alcoholic feeling smug at a crack addicts convention. Secondly, you're all just make things worse , and blowing it all out of proportion, and you all know it!

I can't see Jade doing a 'Kate Moss' and getting her career back despite fucking up in a huge way, (and what's with that too, "kate, you've been very bad, cocaine really isn't good for you, and kids look up to you, here's 8 new million dollar contracts, now don't go taking the diet dust again, oh and make sure you don't weigh more than your own skeleton would if it was a bit dusty, or you're fired!")

In my mind, Jade has been racist, but in a stupid chavvy way, like back when I was growing up and I'd hear people going 'oi paki' and laughing and running off to the corner shop owner. They don't actually hate the target, they just don't have the bloody sense to treat others in a respectful way if they get any kind of small reason not to. As for Jack, if what I heard is true, that his defence was 'I didnt call her a paki, I called her a c***' well, saying you used about the most offensive term you CAN use to a woman, probably not the best defence. As for when he was getting something explained to him, about why men have nipples, and he obviously heard the word 'embryo' for the first time, the pure entertainment watching his bemused face, he looked like a monkey being taught string theory.

Please though, think this thru, who's a more dangerous racist, Jade Goody, who pretty much accidentally said 'poppadom' or some BNP supporting fanatic or extreme muslim fanatic who want the other side either out of the country or preferably dead?

Summing up, my opinion, Jade...Bully, yes, Fuckwit, definately, Chav, completely, but racist? only in the low grade, too stupid to know better category. I don't like Jade and never have, but its because she's made a career out of being borderline braindead, not because she let slip a bad word. She's obviously not a pleasant person to get on the wrong side of, and can get quite nasty, but damn, there's worse people on the planet.

As many have said, she was mainly just threatened by someone of a higher class, more intelligent, better looking, and more successful than her, and the only way she knows how to deal with it is to try to destroy them. Which is why its usually smart kids that get bullied at school, because the neanderthals don't know how to deal with it.

Come on guys, there's levels of killing, accidental death, manslaughter, unlawful killing, murder... surely there can be a difference between a badly chosen word and actually burning down orpanages full of foreign people?

PS: The reactions shown in India, huge protests and burning effigies and full on hatred, nice way to show you're above all this guys, and that you're all advanced, level headed, intelligent people. Of course, you have to take into account that this is how its being presented by the UK media too, so it might have happened once in one place, and that's enough to present it as fact all over.

As for Gordon Brown visiting India to apologise, I hope all he said was 'I'm sorry, we've got a few fuckwits that don't know when to shut their big fat gobs, I hope you realise most of us are nothing like that'. Because we don't need to apologise on behalf of the British people, when its one idiot making a couple of comments on a damn crappy TV show.

WOW Guild Site slowly nearing completion

Well, the Sunken Temple Pilots seem to be slowly making a name for themselves, I'm getting players actually saying 'hey, I was teamed with a couple of your guys, and they were were really good', which is excellent, and exactly what I wanted, it seems we're training up players to be decent citizens of this new world.

If I can get to the point where my guild members can say 'hey, can I team up with you guys?' and get the response ' well, I don't kno- oh, you're in Sunken Temple Pilots, sure!', then I know I've hit my target. I'm not saying we're famous on our server, but the name does seem to have been noticed at least, even players who don't know our plans have bothered to message me going 'hey, cool name'. I have to admit I smiled seeing a guild doing similar stuff called 'Ghouls Allowed', I guess music means something to everyone, you're going to get an emotional response from most people just mentioning it.

We also passed 100 members a few days ago, which is quite an achievement for a guild under a month old, and especially so on such an old server, as old servers have far fewer new players, and old players tend to add their new characters to their current guild. As well as updating the guild website I've been using the in game mail to send a few pages out roughly weekly, to keep all players in the know, as my experience in other guilds, is that its nearly impossible to make all your guildies read a website, never mind actually use online forums etc.

I have had a cunning plan tho, and I'm be having a prize draw soon, for a nice shiny in game item, and to enter, you'll need to find the passwords hidden on pages on the site. I haven't done it yet, but I figure people who won't normally read stuff might be convinced if there's shiny things in it for them.

I've also been pleasantly surprised by the sheer positive feedback of players, and of the generousity both in and out of game of players. I've already had offers of people building forums for me, and offering web hosting space, and in game, people mailing gold to supply the guild, mailing me blue items, which are damned rare at low levels, and well worth a few gold if they'd chosen to sell them instead of donating to guild.

I think it just goes to show, if you give people the chance to be part of something based around decent, fair play, they don't have to be a nasty lowbie killing loot stealing shower of bastards!

to put it in context, we've got over a hundred players, of which I think about 80-90 are fairly active, and about 60 are on at least every couple of days, and we've lost about 5 or so, due to them being complete tools and not fitting in. I think I'm probably going to trim another dozen or so soon for not having been online in the last few weeks, my next target being 100 members actually being active, which I rate as playing at least once a week. I'm not going to start punting people out for not playing weekly, but I think if you haven't played in a month, you're probably not rushing back any time soon.

Nearly forgot about Peter Andre and Jordan

and their obviously fine, top quality new cd.

No sound clips sadly, but I think you only need to read all the genuine, heartfelt reviews to truly know what an all time classic this cd is truly destined to be.

Reviews at Amazon here!

Example:

Like so many great artists, I fear that Kate and Pete are destined to remain unappreciated during their own life times. "A whole new world" is an understatement..."A whole new musical paradigm" would have been more apt I feel. Don't let the sarcasm of the philistines who have reviewed this album below put you off. There have been many turning points in the history of Western music...it has often been said for instance that after the first performance of Beethoven's Third Symphony, music was never the same again. The release of this album is an event of similar gravity I feel. After the first play it hit me like a bolt of lightening, but it was only after the third or forth listen that its sheer subtle majesty revealed itself, and I suspect that my life will now forever be changed beyond recognition. For instance, as a result of this music (and 'music' does not feel like a big enough world to describe it) I am seriously considering having a sex change and moving to the Isle of Man.

Incidentally, I'd recommend anyone who enjoyed this album as much as I did to check out "Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune" by Debussy, the latest Yo La Tengo album, or anything by Cathal Coughlan.

b3ta links update, phones, cooking, and the rest.

One for Fink to start with, with his obsessive interest in all things cookery. A beatboxing chef.

I think we've all met scary mobile phone bores, 'oh look what mine does!' Well, mine lets me call people without navigating 17 menus, you might have the better piece of technology, I can't help thinking I have the better PHONE. Well, this guy is FAR too pleased with his, but its still kind of amusing.

Stepping away from funny, but an interesting idea, found a blog with the idea of just writing questions on banknotes. No hidden agenda, just a faint hope that it might make a few people actually think for a few seconds each day.

Anyone remember Tufty the Squirrel and his ways to teach children about crossing the road and other ways to stay safe?(WARNING: NSFW) It seems he's rather gone off the rails...
For me, its the 'oh yes please' that really makes it. Also, if you haven't seen it, you've missed a treat with Fireman Sam's Evil Twin, Arsonist Sam.

Recently there was a minor craze for editing Wiki recently to add death dates to celebrities you don't like.
Seems one actually made it into Metro, (OK, its not the Times, or the BBC 6 o clock news, but hey).

And Finally... Ages ago, someone on b3ta did a Cillit Bang Dance remix, what's scary is its been tidied up, given a video, and its out for a genuine CD release, HMV are taking preorders! While generally hating all the dodgy dance remixes and novelty records, this one is so obviously taking the piss, that I'm all for it getting to number 1! GO BARRY!

Big Brother Update

Ok, I've caught glimpses, really haven't bothered to watch this time around.

Damn tho, I know part of me kinda looks down on people who are just plain dim. Well, maybe not that, I think its when its so obvious they see being a fuckwit as some kind of badge of honour, like an ASBO of idiocy.

I saw a section where the housemates got to ask Big Brother a question they'd never had answered.

'Jack' - Jade Goody's boyfriend, and deserving a whole new alphabet to be invented just so we cant plant him lower than Z-list, asked ' why do men have nipples?', obviously thinking that saying nipples would earn him some more fans.

On the explanation, about all human embryos starting off female and only choosing a gender after the first few weeks in the womb, his face just went more and more blank and empty, until I was fully expecting his eyes and nose to just fade into his face, and he goes 'whats an..uhh...em- vree-oh?'

He then seemed to be offended that big brother had said he was once a girl.

Jade then follows this up by nominating Shilpa, the Bollywood actress, because she 'said I need elcolution lessons to speak proper or summit', yes elcolution, thats not a typo.

I'm not saying everyone uses words like elocution or embryo on a daily basis, but most people have heard of the word. Also, if you're really a *cough* Celebrity, shouldn't you have built up some kinda celeb survival skills, some natural ability to bluff out situations? Maybe just nod and go 'oh ,yea, thanks for that, Big Brother.' Maybe, instead of just going 'DUHHHHH'.

The tragic thing is, I just bet he's bloody hero to the chavs. 'Look, he's a completely braindead twunt and he's on the telly!'.

Kruul Update

Seems He's been rather busy, checking the US server stats, Krull has the most kills of any KIND of enemy in the game.

That includes pets of players, demons, everything.

1st Highlord Kruul 275,802
2nd Voidwalker 159,268
3rd Drek'Thar 107,118
4th Defias Pillager 46,396
5th Stonehearth Warmaster 43,816

That's one enemy, killing over a quarter of a million players...a day!
To put that in perspective, there's around 8 million active players at the moment, in a huge world, and Kruul can only be in one place. The 2nd place goes to Voidwalker, which is every voidwalker in the game, which I'd estimate at around a quarter of a million, going on 8 million, split over 9 classes, and then the class has to choose voidwalker from 5 or 6 demon pets. Then add in all the NPC enemy voidwalkers in the game.

Its also kinda interesting as a player, to see the other stat pages. I won't bore non players with even more unintelligible gaming nonsense, I'll just leave a link, its the US site, but the theory is there.

Kruul invades, and the day before TBC.

So I was in WOW, grabbing some new recruits for my guild. I'd heard the chat going on, people yelling 'OMG KRUUL AT UC' which translates into 'Oh, I'm quite surprised, there appears to be a large demon just outside Undercity, the undead capital city.' I figured as usual, someone's just messing about, getting people to travel halfway across the world and there's nothing there.
So I step out of the main gates of Undercity to walk into this.

And for a sense of scale, you can see below he's about the height of a flagpole, and I as the largest race in the game, don't even come up to the low ring at the base of the pole.


Now the tricky part behind this new monster that just appears near the entrance to main cities, is that every time he kills ANYONE, and that includes pets, demons summoned by warlocks, people who dont even know what's going on and were just passing through, anyone, he gets a heal of 70,000 points. To put that in perspective for non players, my fully kitted out top level warrior, who's built for survival, has around 5000 health points. This guy, as well, as getting 70,000 heals for every kill he manages, is sending out around 40 homing missile things that hit for 2000 ish each, and has a clutch of demon hounds with him, helping people to die a bit quicker.

The real genius behind it though, I think, its the knowledge of human nature. Ok, you've been playing for a while, kinda seen it all, done it all, still enjoying it, but not much in the way of surprises, or you're a wide eyed newbie who's heard there's a giant demon smashing up your capital city. Either way, instinct says' HEY! I gotta go see this!'

So we're outside Undercity, and a group has formed of about 40 top level players, including my warrior, and we're trying and trying to take this guy down, and we'll get him to about 75% or 50% health, and some level 5 guy will wander over going 'hey, whats that big thi-' 'oh I'm dead', and on top of that, if you're within about 100 yards of this guy, you ARE gonna take 2000 damage from every set of missiles he hurls, he's got enough for everybody!

So, on top of the tactics required to take down a beast of this nature, and dealing with his pets and special attacks, we're also having to send people around especially to act as that police guy in the movies 'Please move along, there's nothing to see here, move BACK Sir, please retreat to a safe distance until the situation is under control..HEY! get back he-, oh too late, Kruul's on full health again.'

Now the outside of undercity looks like a real graveyard, skeletons of the fallen all over the place.


Can you imagine trying to be the ones wanting to stop people seeing a huge world event, but having to do so in order to deal with it? There just seemed to be a never ending supply of people willing to wander straight up to a 100ft tall demon and go 'hello!'

Having said that, eventually things settled down, and it was great to have 40 people all playing together to beat a common goal, and we DID take him down, despite him getting a few heals mid fight.
He did have a couple of very nice things on him, too, all caster items, but I was there more for the fun of being part of it than for looting, you've gotta be pretty optimistic to join a 40 player, one off event in the hope for shiny things.

Tomorrow, the big day, the portals open to a whole new continent, the Burning Crusade begins, and I will let you know what I think as soon as I get to try it. I'm thinking every server is going to fall over under the combined weight of 8 million players all making a level 1 Blood Elf or Draenei, (the new races available), and the ones that do stay up, are going to be laggy as hell, and the starting areas, well...

Normally, you create your character, and you'll be placed somewhere like, for instance, the orc's Valley of Trials, a safe-ish place with low level enemies to build yourself up a bit before you go out into the big wide world. Now, normally there'd be maybe 5 new players in that area at once, and around 30 boars and scorpions and assorted beasts to slay, no problem. tomorrow however, I can see there being hundreds of Blood Elves ALL appearing in the same place at the same time at the same level, all waiting for giant spiders to respawn in the forest so they can kill 8 of them for their first quest.

Still we shall see, and I'll know more tomorrow.

Domain name for WOW Guild site

Ok, it's not ideal, it has an intro ad that you need to click through, but as I've had pretty much solid negative feedback at the length of the url for the Sunken Temple Pilots site, I've got with the .tk thing, and now it's a more compact http://www.sunkentemplepilots.tk/

If its a case of one Orange advert that can be clicked past and a slender banner for .tk themselves, I can live with that for now. I'll see how people react to this in game, and make changes if needed.

Guild site up

Got a start on the guild site, link over on the sidebar.

Ever heard of furries?

well, I had, sort of, and I knew they were the reason for the amount of 'furry porn' on the net, which I'm not going to find a link for, but its humanised furry animals having sex, in short, like a female fox and a male tiger going at it. Ah good ol' Wiki, I've found a 'safe' link after all.

Anyways, the very last person I thought I'd be spending hours listening to the opinions of, would be a gay, furry techno guy from America. However, I was reading a forum post on IMDB, which I can thoroughly recommend if you don't know it, its by far the easiest place to get movie info.

There was a post on movie violence, basically saying , whatever you think about the subject, listen to this! So, I gave it a go, and I was sold on him! Like many creative people I admire, I don't agree with everything his says, but I totally support his right to say it, and damn does he say it with style. His 'gay pride' rant in particular is a gem, and might be a surprise. Anyone with an opinion, try following this guy's way, Charlie Brooker, Bill Hicks, etc, state your opinion in an interesting and enjoyable way, and maybe people will listen.

b3ta and how to waste time

If you haven't discovered it by now, and you're stuck in the office, (important, make sure you don't have a filter that will flag rude words), then I find the b3ta 'question of the week' is always an entertaining read, so long as you're not easily offended.

Every week a new subject, and every week some new amusing tales,m some recycled obviously from elsewhere , some just plain made up, but mostly just good fun, with copious amounts of necessary swearing.

WOW (World of Warcraft) - The Burning Crusade launch on 16th.

So, I've been on the game regularly, and I've been keeping an eye on the forums...

Damn, you lot need to quit whining!

Sure, I know I'm not short of the occasional complaint about all sorts of issues, ok, I'm a professional moaner of the highest order, but damn, for something that hasn't even happened yet, it seems there is a vast amount of bad feeling about this, so I guess I need to tackle a few of the main topics of debate.

1. 'Oh no, it's going to be really busy on the first day!' Yes it is, shut your face. Take a day or two off and come back and get on with enjoying the game.
2. 'Oh no, We're getting Blood Elves, we're the horde and we don't want elves.' It's a new skin and that's about all, so unless you're the 0.1% who actually play on a roleplay server AND actually roleplay, then you don't get to say what other people choose to look like.
3. 'Oh no, the other faction is getting Paladins/Shamans.' So, both sides have a balanced choice of classes now? that's bad..how?
4. 'Oh no, there's going to be a tidal wave of noobs!' Firstly, there actually was a day when YOU didnt know where the auction house or the mailboxes were. Secondly, 90% of the level 1 Blood Elf Paladins and Draenei Shamans are going to be 2 year veterans of the game. Thirdly, how are new players bad? I'm running a newbie based guild and most of the new players I've met have been a far better class of players than half of the 60's wandering around thinking they're king of the world. Try HELPING occasionally, and maybe you'll get something back, huh?
5. 'The in game economy is gonna be shot to hell.' Great, means I can finally make a profit, and so can my guildies on the shedloads of new players in need of lower grade stuff while all you end game daily raiders can sell your epics at reduced prices to my level 60 alts.

Sure there's probably more, but that covers it for now. I'll see you there on the 16th, for 2 and a half minutes before the whole thing crashes to hell for the whole day, and then I'll see you all on the 17th.

World of Warcraft Update

Well, as of Xmas Eve, the Sunken Temple Pilots were born.

I'm trying my hand at actually running a guild in World of Warcraft, as I felt there was a real lack of anywhere for newcomers to be, what are we going to get after Xmas and all the gifts have been opened? Yes, loads of new players!

So, a week later, and we have 64 players, some with multiple characters in the guild, we've only had to kick one out for being a tool, and in the main, the guild members are embracing the spirit I am trying to instill in them. To help because you can, not for rewards, to be patient with new players, and if you're being helped, you don't owe us, you owe the ones to come later seeking help.

What has surprised me is the number of really decent individuals willing to invest time in helping us, showing newbies around, getting them geared up and donating items to the cause!

Its actually close to the point where I can't give the stuff away fast enough, heh.

Most of all, only a week in, I've already got about a dozen players taking on responsibily for smaller groups of the players.

So, obligatory big brother post ..again.

Ok, Jermaine Jackson, dont care
some footballer's wife, care so little I can't even bring myself to use capitals. I've honestly forgotten her name already.
Ken Russell, destined to be the miserable git to annoy everyone, when in fact he could be quite clever and get voted out for saying stuff most of the viewers won't understand instead.
Leo bloody Sayer? well, it should be interesting to see how long he can be so chirpy.
Doh, completely missed Jo from S Club, but as I CAN'T care about her, no matter.
Ah, now, a Bollywood actress, I'm not going to TRY to spell her name, but she should actually bring something interesting to the whole thing.
Carol Malone, one of those 'opinions' columnists from ...a newspaper, I don't know or care. I assume primarily invited to cause a lot of arguments.
Donny Tourette, an absolutely stereotypical rock band lead singer. Might be fun, like Leo Sayer, to see how long he can stay in character, although I actually almost believe Leo is actually like that.
H from Steps, 'oh he's "come out". Was anyone who saw him in Steps surprised? cheap I know...but you shouldn't be too surprised if you've ever visited me before. He's actually coming across as a fairly decent guy tho.
Lastly, Cleo Rocos, now I liked Kenny Everett's show, but I'm not sure how much she's going to add to the show.
Oh, ok Lastly, Dirk Benidict, of Battlestar Galactica and A Team fame.
I'll really TRY not to judge them all too harshly until they've had a few minutes together though.

Really can't see me watching this one too heavily though.